to make an entry of your own ""
Lesley is being held to ransom by the lagmonster
Gregor writes on the blackboard...
Yoshi [to Gregor]: Hey, you're going out of the board and writing on the wall
there!
Yoshi laughs.
mudpie [Guest] writes on the blackboard...
Torachan writes on the blackboard...
mudpie [Guest] looks at the map of Schmooze.
Lars [Guest] says, "I instituted a program this year that all High School
Juniors who wished to meet with an admission rep from a certain college, that
they do an internet search for info first."
Frizzy says, "Sorry, there are some entries on the blackboard from the last
session. We're erasing those right now."
A small swarm of 3x5 index cards arrives, engulfs Yoshi, and carries him away.
A small swarm of 3x5 index cards blows in and disperses, revealing Yoshi.
Yoshi says, "Sorry, folks, a bad teacher didn't erase the board after his last
session here."
Frizzy says, "Yesterday, I attended a free demo from Macromedia regarding
software I have on my computer (Authorware) but don't know how to use yet.
It was really valuable to see the demo, then go back to my office and do some
hands-on."
Yoshi scratches his head.
Godzilla writes on the blackboard...
mudpie [Guest] says, "Excuse me, Ms. Frizzy, but I forgot what I type to look
at the blackboard."
Lesley writes on the blackboard...
Yoshi [to mudpie [Guest]]: Type: look black
mudpie [Guest] says, "Thanks, Yoshi."
==================== BLACKBOARD ======================
1) Participate in e-mail discussion lists and MOO discussions.
2) "schMOOze, first of all, and mailing lists and personal contacts follow.
I don't really netsurf around."
3) Focus: you can't possibly do everything.
4) Attend NETEACH MOO sessions. ;o)
5) I think it's important to keep instructional goals in mind first, if that
doesn't sound too teacherly.
6) talk to everyone!!
7) Become a Webmaster and/or Content Developer, the tasks lead themselves
naturally to getting it all together.
8) talk to colleagues and consultants, netsurfing
=======================================================
Gregor agrees about the instructional goals, and the focus. "You can't
possibly keep up with everything, so by being really specific with your
instructional goals, you necessarily constrain the directions technology
pulls you."
Frizzy also likes the suggestion about learning tech because of the tasks you
want to do.
Frizzy says, "That's how I learned just about everything!"
Torachan says, "it is important to know what you want to do and then what you
need to do it..."
Gregor says, "Is there a free or cheap way to get lessons in using authoring
systems such as Authorware and Toolbook?"
Frizzy [to Gregor]: "Macromedia tours the country with demo sessions like the
one I went to yesterday. CHeck their web site: www.macromedia.com
Gregor says, "(Specifically, Toolbook, the program I'm struggling with. ;o)"
mudpie [Guest] says, "Gregor, are you at a high school or college?"
Yoshi agrees with Gregor and adds, "If you're familiar with some of the basic
things, you can just incorporate the rest just by extending our experience
and knowledge. For me, there's no totally new things lately."
Bronzed_Aussie says, "keeping the instructional goals in mind is important ---
what's the use of learning new technologies in some unfocussed manner?"
Gregor nods. "Assymetrix does that for Toolbook, too, but their demo is more
marketing than instruction."
Frizzy says, "Learning MM is so dang expensive! Has anyone found a way to
convince their schools to fund any training?"
Gregor [to mudpie [Guest]]: Private school preparing graduate students and
international professionals.
mudpie [Guest] says, "I was asking because some colleges might have special
training for faculty."
Lesley [to Gregor]: There are various lists for tb users
Yoshi [to Bronzed_Aussie]: I agree, and there're a lot of teachers who're just
trying hard to keep up with new things without any educational considerations.
Frizzy plays devil's advocate . . .
Bronzed_Aussie [to Yoshi]: yes, it's tragic
Yoshi [to Frizzy]: Isn't there any manuals that comes with it??
Yoshi grins at Frizzy.
Gregor nods at Mudpie. "We can attend some of those at the university we're
affiliated with, but I haven't seen any for authoring systems. Only "Intro to
Netscape" and stuff like that."
Frizzy says, "I've had this conversation with Ron Corio many times . . . "
Gregor [to Lesley]: Thanks! I'll search for them.
Frizzy says, "Is it better to learn tech *because* of your teaching goals . .
."
Lesley [to Gregor]: Wait - I may get the answer by making a phonecall - hold on
Yoshi nods to Frizzy.
Frizzy says, "OR, should you learn some tech, see what it's possible to do,
and then adjust your teaching goals accordingly?"
Torachan says, ""both!"
Gregor grins at his zealous friend Lesley. "Chill, chica! It can wait for
after the session! Hee hee!"
Frizzy giggles.
mudpie [Guest] says, "Sometimes you don't realize what's possible until you
know what the technology can do."
Yoshi [to Frizzy]: I was just reading an article about Flash, newly released
opponent of MM. Seems it's easier to handle.
Gregor nods at Torachan. "I think you have to pursue both."
Frizzy nods to mudpie and Torachan.
Lars [Guest] says, "or what the student using the tech. cvan do"
Torachan says, "it's important to have the potentials in mind when planning
what to do."
Frizzy [to Yoshi]: "Yes, Flash is really cool! And guess how I learned about
it? My student aide!!
Torachan says, "hee hee"
mudpie [Guest] scratches her head, wondering what Flash is.
Frizzy [to Lars [Guest]]: "Definitely! I'm much more interested in the
students using tech than in MY using tech. :)"
Bronzed_Aussie says, "that's true but something I am very aware of in my field
is the danger of building sophisticated technological empires around students
who have very little background in IT --- you can easily do that"
Gregor says, "That's why I try to create team-teaching situations in which a CALL
person (that would be me) works closely with another teacher who may have
other instructional goals but who needs to know more about the teachnology."
mudpie [Guest] clears her throat, getting ready to speak.
Frizzy [to mudpie [Guest]]: "Flash is a new plug-in from Macromedia which
allows you to create animations for the Web that take up no space at all
(maybe 10K?).
Lesley [to Gregor]: I'm getting a full list sent to me asap
Dasha says, "We seem to be looking at all the new goodies. "
Gregor [to Lesley]: Thanks!
mudpie [Guest] says, "Oooooooh! So it must be like Gifbuilder, which you can
download free of the net?"
Frizzy [to mudpie [Guest]]: "Uh, it's not just a plug in, but software.
Torachan [to Gregor]: "that's what I want to study- how to teach teachers what
they can do with tech.
Lars [Guest] says, "I have found that there remains such a vast difference in
the computer literacy of high school students that it remains a difficult
proposition to teach it to them."
Frizzy notes you can download a demo of Flash.
mudpie [Guest] says, "So you have to pay."
Gregor [to Lars [Guest]]: How about teaching yourself? Are you finding all the
resources you need to keep abreast of the latest IT?
Frizzy [to Torachan]: "That's what I do for a living. I'm an Instructional
Designer with an emphasis on Internet.
Bronzed_Aussie says, "i'm interested in user freindly graphic oriented moo
interface for my students --- sophisticated tech that makes communication
easier but I know Lesley has reservations about that and said as much in a
commentary on an article I recently wrote"
Torachan [to Frizzy]: "let's chat later... :)
Frizzy [to Bronzed_Aussie]: "I think it depends what your goals for your
students are. If you want them practicing their language skills (reading,
writing), then removing the text-based element might be a disadvantage.
Dasha [to Frizzy]: I agree with you on that.
Bronzed_Aussie says, "oh but the commands can interfere with the seamlessness
of the communication"
Yoshi [to Bronzed_Aussie]: I'm with Lesley. Text-based nature's one of the
important features especialy for language learners.
Frizzy winks at Torachan. "My Web site has some info about what I do:
http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us:9878/~kfrizler "
Gregor [to Bronzed_Aussie]: Are you talking about visual MOOs, or just clients
that make it easier to MOO?
Bronzed_Aussie [to Gregot]: both
Godzilla says, "Everyone is talking about "goals" for their students, but
would anyone care to elaborate?"
Lars [Guest] says, "I am finding that I don't have a lot of time to find the
resources due to having to use a lot of time just assesing the individual
students needs."
Torachan [to Frizzy]: "been there!
Frizzy grins.
Torachan smiles at Frizzy
Gregor nods to Lars.
Lesley is scrolling back because she suspects her name has just been taken in
vain
Bronzed_Aussie says, "I tried out Surf n Turf the other day --- WWW/MOO client
--- a good text/graphic compromise but horribly slow"
Frizzy says, "Let's get back to the issue of training for teachers . . . "
Torachan says, "yes lets!"
mudpie [Guest] [to Frizzy]: Thanks.
Dasha says, "There's a problem."
Frizzy says, "I'm interested to know how everyone else currently GETS their
own tech training . . . "
Frizzy says, "Are you primarily self-taught? Does your institution send you
to workshops or seminars? Do you have computer backgrounds?"
Gregor says, "Part of my job is to provide workshops for my fellow faculty, but
the only workshops I get around to attending myself are at conventions
(TESOL, IALL)."
Dasha dives into her coffee cup and disappears.
Dasha has disconnected.
mudpie [Guest] . o O ( sounds like fun. )
Torachan says, "I just do it... slow at times, and frustrating, but cheap.
I've been using computers since my Com 64."
Perimead [Guest] says, "I attend whatever workshops offered by SFSU that don't
conflict with my teaching schedule"
Frizzy is in the same boat as Gregor. "I'm the one who is supposed to train
other people!"
Lesley gets training and does some staff development herself
Lars [Guest] only gets training that he pays for
Torachan nods at Lars
Frizzy [to Perimead [Guest]]: "So, those are free workshops provided by your
institution?"
Dasha has connected.
Here comes Dasha.
Perimead [Guest] says, "Right"
Bronzed_Aussie says, "my ISP sponsors me with free access --- good ha?! I do
it myself"
Gregor says, "There are some regional IALL groups in the US that are pretty
active. The Midwest affiliate has great meetings as Dasha would have agreed
had she not just jumped into her coffee cup."
Frizzy says, "i think we've hit upon a major issue: teachers being expected
to use tech in the classroom but no institution support for training."
mudpie [Guest] [to Frizzy]: thanks for your help. Gotta go now.
Dasha smirks
Yoshi has been learning things mostly by his own expense, both time and money.
Gregor [to mudpie [Guest]]: Thanks for coming!
mudpie [Guest] slinks away as quietly as possible.
Frizzy waves goodbye to her buddy, mudpie!
Godzilla gives more presentations than attends, these days.
Godzilla is pretty much self-taught.
Godzilla has been caught by the nasty lag devil. Please help!!
Gregor [to Dasha]: Oops! You're back! I was typing and didn't see you!
Frizzy [to mudpie [Guest]]: "See you at school next week!
mudpie [Guest] has disconnected.
A campus caretaker arrives, and escorts mudpie [Guest] to bed.
Torachan hits the lag devil on its snout.
Dasha says, "my university started offering mini seminars, staff helping each
other, but with so many part time teachers, they aren't motivated to attend."
Gregor says, "If I'm presenting at a convention, my school pays my way."
Perimead [Guest] says, "I too have to leave. I'm actually going to a web
workshop at school!"
Lesley says, "My institution is beginning to move towards technology=based
delivery"
Torachan says, "bye Perimead"
Lars [Guest] says, "I feel somewhat bad for my students because the school has
a limited computer program, so as the counselor I feel a responsibility to
help prepare them with some technological training to prevent college culture
shock."
Perimead [Guest] says, "Bye"
Gregor [to Perimead [Guest]]: Bye!
Lesley says, "We have a problem in that our tutors are all off-site (at a
distance) so other than regional offices providing training we have to do
that at a distance too"
Frizzy waves to Perimead.
Perimead [Guest] has disconnected.
A campus caretaker arrives, and escorts Perimead [Guest] to bed.
Godzilla is learning a lot from Lesley and Markus, too!
Gregor [to Lesley]: Does that work well for you?
Frizzy imagines doing everything online might result in burn out.
Lesley [to Gregor]: So far, but my dept is just beginning to get into
technology-based delivery
Gregor rubs his red eyes and asks Frizzy, "Why, what can you mean by that?"
Lesley says, "We need to look more at the pedagogical implications of
technology-delivered language learning"
Torachan nods
Gregor grins.
Lesley says, "We have found telephone tutorials to be very helpful and think
what we've learned there could be applied to cmc etc."
Frizzy says, "I work as part of a grant through which teachers get small
stipends to introduce some form of tech in their classrooms . . . I'm having
all kinds of trouble getting others to see that most teachers don't want to
do programming (esp MM authoring). "
Lars [Guest] needs to get back to work.
Lars [Guest] waves
Frizzy waves to Lars.
Lars [Guest] has disconnected.
A campus caretaker arrives, and escorts Lars [Guest] to bed.
Bronzed_Aussie agrees with Lesley about the pedagogical implications ---
danger of thinking that the most powerful forms of delivery are on line
models, when in fact it might be important to use 'primitive' means fax/phone
etc
Gregor says, "The teachers on schMOOze have been an excelklent resource,
especially now that we've added these more formalized gatherings. I get a lot
of questions answered here."
Torachan lags!!
Torachan says, "the balance is important. tech and tradition..."
Bronzed_Aussie [to Torachon]: exactly!
Frizzy says, "I don't think teachers SHOULD have to learn all the tech. There
should be teams of instructional designers, computer students, etc. to help
with the nitty gritty."
Frizzy [to Lesley]: "I totally agree about looking at pedagocial implications!
Also, it's another reason for teachers to know at least *some* tech. They
can help administrators make informed decisions about delivery of education.
The lag monster whisks Frizzy off to Paris for a romantic rendezvous. They
will return momentarily.
Lesley [to Frizzy]: Or people like you and me are employed to act as
intermediaries...
Frizzy nods.
Frizzy says, "Well, it's getting toward the end of the hour . . ."
Frizzy wonders if we should wrap things up.
Lesley . o O ( which is why the lag is improving )
Frizzy giggles.
Gregor . o O ( time flies when you are lagging badly! )
Godzilla says, "There should always be room for both."
Godzilla . o O ( This is the worst lag I've ever experienced! )
Frizzy groans.
Gregor [to Godzilla]: Both of what? I've lost the tthread.
Yoshi had his too.
Torachan is a bit sleepy (12:44 AM in Tokyo)
Frizzy is going to display something new on the screen...
On the screen you see...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A REMINDER...
Please note! Our sessions are always logged.
By participating, you give permission to Greg Younger to allow
access to the transcripts for research purposes at his discretion.
Before using any part of our logs for research or publication, please
obtain the permission of Greg Younger at youngerg@colorado.edu
For a transcript, please see our web page:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~youngerg/netmoo.html
Please link to our online suggestion box
at the website to suggest future topics!
****** Thanks for participating! ******
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yoshi says, "It's 12:46 in Chiba now."
Bronzed_Aussie says, "the intermediary idea is interesting ... Larry mentioned
Lesley and Markus and how they have helped facilitate his learning ... I
found there WWW site about cgi very helpful even though I missed the moo
sessions ... I never thought I would be able to master it but did"
Frizzy agrees!
Godzilla [to Gregor]: Room for tech and room for tradition.
Godzilla [to Gregor]: I'm a good three minutes behind all the threads tonight.
Lesley thanks Bronzed_Aussie profusely.
Torachan nods at Godz
Yoshi giggles at Godzilla's remark.
Lesley [to Bronzed_Aussie]: I'm sure Markus would too...
Frizzy says, "I urge the rest of you to offer suggestions on the NETEACH MOO
page for future discussion topics:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~youngerg/netmoo.html"
Bronzed_Aussie [to Lesley]: it was a great use of MOOspace
Lesley grins at Bronzed_Aussie and chuckles.
Bronzed_Aussie says, "moo/WWW space rather"
Lesley has been trodden by the terrible lag monster. You just sit here and
watch!?
Frizzy says, "Nice chatting with y'all again!"
Lesley [to Frizzy]: Likewise
Frizzy doles out hugs.
Bronzed_Aussie says, "how Californian!!!"
Gregor accepts one gracefully and returns in kind.
Frizzy says, "bye everyone! See you in a couple weeks (if not sooner!).
Thanks for your great suggestions."
Gregor [to Frizzy]: Thansk for leading us!
Bronzed_Aussie waves
Gregor cheers for Frizzy.
Gregor whistles and stomps.
Frizzy blows kisses and tosses her long blond hair back, in TRUE California
fashion!
Bronzed_Aussie says, "YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA"
Torachan says, "thanks Frizzy!!"
Frizzy says, "HEE HEE! you're welcome."
Frizzy goes home.
Gregor claps and hollars.
Yoshi applauds for Frizzy's great chairsuperwoman.
Return to TOP of this document.
Return to MOO Sessions Log Menu.
Return to NETEACH MOO Sessions page.
Go to
NETEACH-L homepage.
This page is maintained by Gregor
(Greg Younger, NETEACH-L
MOO-Master).
Please send comments to youngerg@spot.colorado.edu.