NETEACH Nook
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A spacious classroom with a comfortable, lived-in feeling to it. Someone has
put up at least one nice decoration: a world map with brightly colored push
pins showing where NETEACHers have connected from. So far, there are pins in
Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Australia, Greece, UK, Brazil, Israel, Canada, France,
Germany, and all over the US.
You see Teacher's Desk, Big Table, Bulletin Board, Beanbags, Fireside
Bearskin, Kitchen Table, Wading Pool, and Hot Tub.
You see Rebel, thinking, Markus, Mahina [Guest], Janice [Guest], blue_heron
[Guest], Gregor and Corwin standing about.
You see LCD Panel and Tea Pot.
Obvious exits: out
Markus waves around to all around
Rebel smiles sweetly at Corwin
thinking says, "hi"
Gregor says, "Looks like a good-sized crowd tonight! (this morning, in Asia. ;o)"
Gregor says, "Shall we get started?"
thinking says, "yes!"
Markus smiles
Gregor puts a transparency on the screen:
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Welcome to NETEACH-L's MOO discussion sessions!
(with much appreciation to schMOOze University
and its fine players, programmers, and wizards!)
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Mahina [Guest] says, "So wasup? AGenda anyone??"
Rebel ohs
Mehitabel has arrived.
Gregor says, "I'm having peridoic lag, really bad... if I clam up suddenly, please
go on without me!"
Mehitabel says, "Hi."
Rebel says, "hi mehi :)"
Corwin waves to mehi
Gregor puts a transparency on the screen:
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*** INTRODUCTIONS ***
You are of course welcome to remain anonymous, but at this time
we invite all of you who wish to do so to identify yourselves by
your name and affiliation.
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Markus rolls out a blue carpet to welcome Mehitabel.
Gregor says, "I'm Greg YOunger, of Economics Institute in Boulder, Colorado."
thinking says, "I am Susan Gaer of Rancho Santiago College in Santa Ana CA"
Markus is Markus J. Weininger from UFPR, Brazil
Janice [Guest] says, "is Janice Cook, Kapiolani Community College in Honolulu."
Rebel says, "euh... Im Rebel:)"
Mehitabel says, "I'm Julie Faletti from Hunter College in NYC."
Corwin is Nick Noakes at the Hong Kong Uni of Sci & Tech
Mahina [Guest] says, "I'm Steven Singer also at Kapiolani, Hi Susan."
Wart knocks politely to see if he may enter.
Gregor . o O ( Rebel's a rebel! )
Rebel laughs at Gregor
Wart has arrived.
Rebel only came cause she heard it was a party :0
Wart says, "Hi Gregor, Rebel, thinking, Markus, Mahina [Guest], Janice
[Guest], blue_heron [Guest], Corwin, and Mehitabel!"
Markus says, "Hi Wart"
Janice [Guest] says, "Aloha, Wart."
thinking gives wart the prize for saying everyone's name correctly
Gregor [to Mahina [Guest]]: Nice goat you got there. :o)
Gregor welcomes wart.
Rebel doesnt know if she likes being behind Gregor in the list though...
Gregor puts a transparency on the screen:
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***Remote Possibilities: Issues for Distance ESL***
While it seems clear that a lot more learning and teaching is moving
online, there are numerous institutional, administrative, and pedagogical
issues to be settled well before diving into it headlong. Which aspects
of ESL instruction are currently possible via the 'Net? How must our
traditional pedagogical theories be adapted to these new media? What are
some approaches to the administration of online courses? What are the most
important marketing issues?.
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Gregor says, "Raise your hand if you've been talking/thinking about distance
courses at your school..."
thinking says, "How do we start Gregor?"
Gregor raises his hand.
Janice [Guest] raises her hand.
thinking raises her hand
Markus . o O ( many important points... where to start?)
Mahina [Guest] raises his goat.
blue_heron [Guest] has arrived.
Corwin's only be tlkaing to himself about it ;-)
Gregor greets blue-heron.
Wart says, "Am I the only one experiencing serious lag?"
Wart has been trodden by the terrible lag monster. You just sit here and
watch!?
Mehitabel says, "our school is not thinking about it."
Markus has no lag so far...
Gregor says, "Seems like most universities are already putting classes in place..."
Janice [Guest] isn't lagging now but was earlier.
Wart raises his hand.
Gregor says, "I think I have a good way for us to start here..."
Mahina [Guest] says, "Here in the islands Distance Ed is certainly a big
thing. It is the wave of the future."
Gregor puts a transparency on the screen:
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Let's begin our discussion by just brainstorming some of the issues
that must be considered. We can use the BLACKBOARD, a feature of
this virtual classroom, to facilitate this process. To add a line of
text to the blackboard, anyone can type:
writeb
For example,
writeb What does it take to achieve interactivity?
To see what has been written, type:
look black (or just L black)
Feel free to toss some ideas up onto the blackboard now.
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thinking will be teaching a web based class next month for the New School
Steve_McCarty [Guest] slides in, ready to NETwork.
Mahina [Guest] says, "Hi Steve."
Janice [Guest] alohas Steve.
Markus is putting up an interactive site and working on online resources for
distant learning
blade [Guest] has arrived.
Wart has been trodden by the terrible lag monster. You just sit here and
watch!?
thinking writes on the blackboard...
Rebel hugs blade
blade [Guest] says, "warm kiss back t rebel"
Mahina [Guest] writes on the blackboard...
thinking writes on the blackboard...
Gregor writes on the blackboard...
Sstar has arrived.
Markus writes on the blackboard...
Gregor welcomes sstar.
Wart writes on the blackboard...
blade [Guest] says, "rebel how do you put things on the black board"
Gregor says, "Remember you can read the blackboard by typing: look black"
Rebel [to blade [Guest]]: type writeb message
Markus [to blade [Guest]]: Type writeb message
Corwin writes on the blackboard...
Janice [Guest] writes on the blackboard...
thinking writes on the blackboard...
Markus smiles at Rebel...
Corwin's a slow typist
Rebel shows off her dimples at Markus
Janice [Guest] writes on the blackboard...
thinking writes on the blackboard...
blade [Guest] says, "rebel should i really be here"
Mahina [Guest] writes on the blackboard...
Rebel wont answer blade's question :)
Gregor says, "I'm interested in the access question.. is that an ethical question
or a marketing question?"
Corwin writes on the blackboard...
Rebel doesnt think she should be here either, but she likes seeing all these
people in one place thinking. :)
Mahina [Guest] says, "I think it's logistical."
==================== BLACKBOARD ===========================
1) I think that interactivity is achieved if you use a variety of media.
2) Questions of Access and Advantages of Net over Tradtional delivery come to
mind.
3) for example email for journals, chat for office periods, video for direct
instruction....
4) What does it take to achieve interactivity?
5) My biggest problem so far is to get more colleagues involved to put hands
on, 'cause I don't want to do all allone, and after all they're supposed to
use this stuff later...
6) It is sometimes difficult to establish a relationship with "distance"
students.
7) interactivity is mainly dependent on task organisation.. grouping students
to collaborate together - synch or asynch
8) Access for some often means lack of access for others.
9) my fear is that not all students have equal access
10) Not all class activities work well online.
11) distance education is not only regulated to online classes.
12) So maybe one question is "What activities work better online than off?
13) what are the criteria we ould use for "work better"?
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Markus writes on the blackboard...
Gregor nods to Mahina.
Wart says, "I agree with Mahina."
Janice [Guest] [to Gregor]: I think it is both. It's ethical if you require
access for a class activity but some students don't have that access.
blade [Guest] says, "rebel how i see black board again"
Corwin [to Gregor]: access overlaps with many areas
Rebel [to blade [Guest]]: look black
thinking wonders how Brazil does it to get it to less priviledged areas...
Wart [to Mehitabel]: Are there any countries that don't have any schMOOze
representatives?
blade [Guest] says, "rebel thanx"
Markus says, " There is money for equipment at public schools, but there are
no qualified teachers...but"
Mehitabel [to Wart]: Many.
==================== BLACKBOARD ===========================
1) I think that interactivity is achieved if you use a variety of media.
2) Questions of Access and Advantages of Net over Tradtional delivery come to
mind.
3) for example email for journals, chat for office periods, video for direct
instruction....
4) What does it take to achieve interactivity?
5) My biggest problem so far is to get more colleagues involved to put hands
on, 'cause I don't want to do all allone, and after all they're supposed to
use this stuff later...
6) It is sometimes difficult to establish a relationship with "distance"
students.
7) interactivity is mainly dependent on task organisation.. grouping students
to collaborate together - synch or asynch
8) Access for some often means lack of access for others.
9) my fear is that not all students have equal access
10) Not all class activities work well online.
11) distance education is not only regulated to online classes.
12) So maybe one question is "What activities work better online than off?
13) what are the criteria we ould use for "work better"?
14) In Brazil distance education is a unique chance to get quality courses to
less privileged regions
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thinking keeps on lagging.
Markus [to thinking]: This means that in Brazil our biggest problem is human
resources, we have totrain the teachers first
Wart says, "Okay. So, can we assume that the "many" countries that aren't
represented on schMOOze don't have the needed technology?"
Corwin [to Janice [Guest]]: what types of activities do you find don't work
and do work?
thinking [to Markus]: what type of distance ed do you do? Distance ed is such
a big word?
Gregor says, ""Several of us wrote about the types of classes that will work well.
In the ESL context, what are your thoughts on this?"
Mehitabel nods to Wart.
Rebel says, "wouldnt it be hard to teach english over the net? you cant teach
pronounciation here."
Markus [to Wart]: or tehy don't have enough contact with the net so far,
Germany for instance would have technology...
Janice [Guest] [to Corwin]: Activities which require a group to reach a
consensus quickly take at least 3 times as long online.
Mehitabel says, "Also, in some countries access is expensive."
Markus nods
thinking says, "I am not sure about the use of distance ed for ESL yet. I
think it is great for teacher training and other subjects."
Wart nods
Corwin [to Janice [Guest]]: true
thinking says, "but I am not sold on the idea for ESL."
Mahina [Guest] says, "We're doing an email/listserv esl project betseen
students from two different schools. With some guidance, I think this type
of project can work well."
thinking says, "what are others' thoughts."
Gregor says, "I think with a combination of email, web, and MOO, a distance class
in reading/writing has very few limitations."
Markus [to Mehitabel]: Access in Brazil is relatively cheap, but I heard that
UK for instance is expensive
Rebel says, "I know that it is possible to use the net to help with grammar,
and writing...language acquisition... but, it needs local support too."
Wart says, "I see a lot out on the web about using CMC to teach writing. What
about using it to teach pragmatics?"
Janice [Guest] says, "I teach all my ESL classes in an online classroom, and
they write synchronously almost every class. But I don't think I want to
teach the whole class online."
Wart [to Mehitabel]: I've also been told that Japan is expensive.
Markus [to Rebel]: of course it does, but we don't talk about sustituting
teachers do we?
thinking says, "I think that is the key here. None of you are teaching the
class solely online (except gregor who is working in reading and writing
only)"
Markus nods
Corwin [to thinking]: I'm trying to get one started
Gregor [to thinking]: I'm not teaching a class like that, yet, but I HAVE been
asked to consider how it might be done.
thinking says, "I think the internet is one of the best ways to improve
writing skills."
Mahina [Guest] says, "STeve, perhaps you might want to talk aboaut how the
TCC-l structure might work in a classroom environment."
Rebel says, "I do believe one person stated, that they had the technology but
not the teachers."
Wart says, "I think that MOOs could be used to teach so much more than reading
and writing."
thinking doesn't know what the TCC-I structure is.
Mahina [Guest] says, "Steve MC??"
Corwin [to thinking]: the course will involve using a freeware iphone
InSmile has arrived.
Markus says, "I see a great advantage over traditional printed DL materials
that you can have interactive elements with immediate feedback, and you can
monitor students in realtime online from time to time"
thinking says, "the new school will not allow us to use chat. They say it
inhibits anytime online because you have to gather at the same time...."
thinking doesn't exactly agree with that philosophy.
Mahina [Guest] says, "I think many instructors here are using a combination of
email/listservs, WWW, and Moos as vehicles for delivering material and
staying in touch with each other. Not just ESL."
Gregor [to Markus]: I agree. Have a website with links to reading materials
and writing assignment descriptions, have students submit work through email,
and hold conferences in MOO.
Janice [Guest] nods to Mahina.
Gregor [to thinking]: How about one on one, though?
Markus says, "Exactly!"
thinking [to Gregor]: my thoughts exactly.
Corwin nods to Mahina
Wart says, "What about the potential for students to acquire discourse
strategies regarding things like turn taking?"
blade [Guest] says, "rebel who exactly are are all these people ...real
teachers"
Mahina [Guest] says, "Virtually...anyway..."
Markus [to Wart]: in an online situation?
Gregor [to blade [Guest]]: Yes, this is a teachers' discussion session.
Rebel isnt sure...
thinking [to Mahina [Guest]]: we are all using combinations but are not solely
teaching this way. There is student contact.
Rebel smiles at blade
Wart [to Markus]: Sure. It's a valid discourse realm, right?
Markus nods
blade [Guest] says, "rebel markus gregor thank you for the information wanted
to be kept informed"
Markus [to thinking]: I feel the f2f is most important for initial motivation,
later online worked out well for me
thinking says, "it is a valid discourse realm but it is different from spoken
discourse. Don't you think?"
Mahina [Guest] says, "TCC-L, sort of what I just mentioned. Check out the
online conference on April 1, no kidding."
Gregor says, "How about this scenario: my school in the US offers courses to
groups in other countries, and sends one teacher to facilitate several
classes which are actually being taught by teachers here at home thru the
net..."
Wart nods.
Corwin sadly waves and leaves for class in a hurry
Time and space distorts again as Corwin moves into shadow.
Corwin has disconnected.
thinking [to amahina]: I have no idea what TCC-L is
Gregor says, "By, Cor!"
blue_heron [Guest] says, "by Nick in Hong Kong!"
Mahina [Guest] says, "Teaching in the Community College-List."
Markus [to Gregor]: That's more or less what we will do, 'cause there are no
qualified teachers in many regions here
Mahina [Guest] says, "Steve? Help?"
Wart [to thinking]: Yes, it is different from f2f discourse, but I'm not sure
anyone has figured out exactly how it differs.
Mehitabel [to Markus]: Fly me to Brazil.
thinking smiles at mehi
Markus [to Mehitabel]: Would love to have you here!
Gregor says, "I'm thinking that one teacher can do that initial f2f contact that
Markus rightly mentions, plue train students and troubleshoot the
computers... Plus, an all-important issue, proctor examinations."
thinking says, "I have been told that I am much more expressive in online
communications than I am in f2f communications."
Markus nods
Mahina [Guest] nods
Markus laughs out loud!
Mehitabel says, "Yes, how does one know who is really taking an on-line exam?"
Janice [Guest] says, "If your students are very far away, you'll need to be
certain that they have support from their end."
Rebel nods
Mahina [Guest] says, "Evaluation and security are certainly important issues
in an online course."
Wart smiles robustly to show thinking his sharp teeth.
blade [Guest] says, "rebel how about you and i sneak out to your room for a
while and chat ...."
Wart says, "I'm involved in a distance ed program that has a serious problem
with getting the students to complete work. Gregor's idea would take care of
that problem as well, right?"
Gregor says, "Another issue: How do you sell online classes without robbing
yourself of live, higher-paying students coming to study onsite?"
InSmile has disconnected.
Mahina [Guest] says, "Why are they 'higher paying?'""
blue_heron [Guest] says, "Delayed introduction because of lag, etc.: Sorry to
interrupt. Greetings to friends and new acquaintances. I'm a full professor
in Japan, and on the staff of the upcoming Teaching in the Community Colleges
Online Conference on Online Instruction from April 1-3. Will announce the
program on Neteach-l in March. "
Markus says, "Here we can reach much more students who never could come irl..."
Wart has been caught by the nasty lag devil. Please help!!
Gregor [to Mahina [Guest]]: because...ummm... I don't know. That's another
question I had tonight: How are distance courses priced?
thinking [to Gregor]: the one I am teaching is 325 dollars for 5 weeks and one
credit.
Rebel says, "that much?"
Markus [to nahina]: I guess the DL student should really pay a bit less, he
has to work much harder...
Mahina [Guest] says, "Sign 'em up like a regular class. Location--online.
Prereqs--Computer access."
Gregor [to thinking]: How does that compare to a similar onsite class?
thinking [to Gregor]: I think it is about the same. Don't you?
blade [Guest] pages, "that isnt a lot of money sir"
Mehitabel says, "Has anyone here heard of Athena U?"
Gregor [to Mehitabel]: No, what is it?
Markus shakes his head
Janice [Guest] nods to Mehitabel.
thinking [to Mehitabel]: nope
Wart says, "Is that the entirely online university?"
Mehitabel says, "An on-line U. But ..."
Mehitabel says, "they wanted the teachers to recruit the students."
thinking says, "IBM is in the process of creating an online U. "
Mehitabel says, "That's when I decided I wasn't interested."
Gregor nods thinking. "Microsoft already has one."
Mahina [Guest] says, "How about Colorado or is it Colorado ST."
thinking says, "if anyone is interested in moviong to texas or florida thre
might be a job for them."
Wart says, "You mean, the teachers were to convince the students they see f2f
to take an online course?"
Gregor [to Mehitabel]: Am I just sensitive, or does that sound like a scam?
blade [Guest] says, "gregor good of a job are you talking about"
Wart was thinking the same.
thinking says, "agress with both wart and gregor and is concerned about course
quality in disance ed."
Rebel nods agreement with thinking
Wart wonders why a student would opt for an online course when they could take
a real life course with someone.
Mahina [Guest] says, "DL courses should be evaluated like f2f. Student evals.
Peer evals, etc."
Gregor [to Mahina [Guest]]: My school is afiliated but not actually a part of
CU...
thinking says, "distance ed allows you to take the class when you can. Even at
2am."
Mehitabel says, "they seemed sincere enough, but I wasn't interested."
Wart nods.
Markus can see that the structure of education markets differ widely... in
Brazil we would have basically gov funding... and students would take online
cause distances are so great that the wouldn't have any chance f2f...
Janice [Guest] [to thinking]: And not have to fly to a different island.
blade [Guest] [to thinking]: very good point
blue_heron [Guest] says, "One leader of an online school took a "We will bury
you" attitude toward accredited colleges, but that represents a challenge to
the academic standards we already have such a difficult time maintaining."
Rebel says, "so that would attract the older student, perhaps ones that are
out in the workforce... etc."
Wart says, "Good point, Rebel!"
Rebel smiles at wart
peace [Guest] has arrived.
Wart says, "I've edited plenty of papers written by Japanese academics who
would probably love the chance to study writing online."
peace [Guest] says, "great"
peace [Guest] says, "I'm a literature fanatic..."
Mahina [Guest] says, "Peace be with us..."
Wart says, "They would be able to take a class without any of their colleagues
knowing about it."
Gregor says, "It seems that students who are already planning to come to the US to
ou school could be a great client base. We know who they are, we can follow
up on things once they arrive, etc."
Mehitabel says, "And with your spirit."
Rebel says, "you take into account all the students that never go to class,
but would do it if they had their computers and logged in from home."
peace [Guest] says, "bear with me.. I'll be wwith yo all"
blue_heron [Guest] says, "I belong to Japanese language lists and can pass
such info along"
blade [Guest] says, "i would like to say good night to everyone ... i must go
and attend an importaplayer"
Wart says, "Bye, blade!"
Rebel says, "see you blade :)"
Gregor waves to Blade.
Janice [Guest] waves to Blade.
peace [Guest] [to blade [Guest]]: peace be with you
Wart waves to blade
Rebel hugs!
thinking waves to blade
blade [Guest] has disconnected.
Gregor [to Rebel]: But Wart has had the opposite experience, with students who
don't complete their online work.
Rebel ohs
Markus [to Gregor]: Maybe this is a general DL problem, not just online?
Mahina [Guest] says, "Oh, like f2f students always complete their work..."
Mehitabel [to Wart]: Are they paying for this course?
Gregor says, "And you can't smack their knuckles with a ruler through the 'Net..."
Janice [Guest] says, "Some people sign for online classes thinking it will be
less work only to find out differently."
Gregor grins.
Steve_McCarty [Guest] has disconnected.
Wart says, "They were people working in the private sector and their companies
had paid for the course."
peace [Guest] says, "what are you guys all talking about?"
Mehitabel says, "Ah."
thinking [to Wart]: they probably would have the same problem in a f2f course.
Gregor nods Janice. "That's what I've heard from several people.. the classes
they take online require a ton of work.
blue_heron [Guest] says, "I disconnected? It's still morning here in Japan!"
Markus has the impression that online students will be more persistant
Gregor [to blue_heron [Guest]]: That was weird.
Janice [Guest] says, "In a f2f class, some of the time you are listening to
someone else talk. None of that happens online."
Rebel says, "I think it depends on the subject though."
Wart says, "Could be. Not completing the course, however, was reported to
have an effect on their chances for promotion."
Mahina [Guest] says, "Don't forget, they are self selecting."
peace [Guest] says, "I'm outta here"
peace [Guest] has disconnected.
Markus says, "I think we should really make a difference between online
classes with real interactive elements and systems where the delivery of
totally traditional printed DL is done by net"
thinking [to Markus]: not sure I understand what you mean.
Gregor says, "We have yet to fully discuss practicalities. Yeah, Markus! My
thought exactly/"
Mehitabel says, "Like the old time correspondence course."
Janice [Guest] [to Wart]: Those students hadn't invested their own $$ though.
Sounds like some of our community college students when daddy pays the bills.
Markus [to thinking]: If you just send assignments by email and receive the
students work by email, this is no online class for me, you just substituted
snail mail...
Wart [to Janice [Guest]]: Good point.
Gregor says, "I went to a seminar put on by Asymetrix, makers of ToolBook. They
discussed sending a CD with the really rich media, and delivering the rest
via the net."
thinking [to Markus]: I understand now
Gregor says, "Create the courseware in html and java, and have it interact with a
CD on the PC of the student."
thinking says, "I took a class with collaborative disucssions and
collaborative groups that all met via email. There was a common area for
posting thoughts. Very interactive."
thinking says, "but it wasn't ESL."
Mahina [Guest] says, "Again the real question is why go online? It's all
communication!! Perhaps part of the equation is the speed and convenience of
the communication. Snail mail doesn't have the immediacy as email or Mooing."
Wart [to Markus]: I think you've brought up a good point. Unless teachers and
students alike take advantage of the technology we've got nothing more than a
suped up snail.
thinking says, "it was even a foreign language."
Markus nods Wart.
Mehitabel says, "And to take advantage of the technology you need up to the
minute hardware."
Gregor [to Mahina [Guest]]: I think part of it is economics, too. It's cheaper
to send packets of data to another country than to send teachers. It's
cheaper to give your employees a couple hours off a day to spend at their
desks studying than to send them abroad to study.
Janice [Guest] nods to Gregor.
Markus nods you.
thinking likes this conversation but has to leave now....She is still
sigh....at work and it is almost 7pm in CA.
Wart says, "Email, interactive websites, and moos together would make for an
interesting course. Anyone of these alone won't remain interesting enough to
sustain participation."
thinking says, "night everyone!"
Mahina [Guest] says, "Gregor, yes, you're right."
Gregor [to thinking]: Thanks for coming.. talk to you soon.
Rebel says, "night thinking :)"
thinking dematerializes and disappears into cyberspace.
thinking has disconnected.
Markus [to thinking]: Bye, see ya!
Janice [Guest] says, "bye thinking."
Mehitabel says, "Bye, thinking."
Markus missed
Wart has been trodden by the terrible lag monster. You just sit here and
watch!?
Markus agrees 100% with Wart
Rebel says, "it isnt the media alone, but the material that will attract the
students."
Janice [Guest] thinks her office is getting too cold and that it's time to go
home.
Mehitabel says, "In Hawaii?"
Wart says, "Whoops. I meant *any one*."
Mahina [Guest] says, "Aloha, Janice..."
Sstar gathers its stuff and heads out the door.
Janice [Guest] [to Mehitabel]: Yeah, too much air conditioning.
Markus says, "Bye Janice"
Mehitabel laughs.
blue_heron [Guest] says, "ayonara, Janet."
Mehitabel says, "Bye, Janice."
Janice [Guest] has disconnected.
Gregor says, "It's still too hard to send hig-quality and -quantity audio or video
over the net, though, which is where the CD I mentioned earlier would come
in. There's no real reason you couldn't teach everything but actual speaking."
Mahina [Guest] says, "What about NEtscape 3.0's voice mail capabilities? Has
anyone played with that?"
Gregor [to Mahina [Guest]]: Not yet.
Rebel says, "true, iphone really sucks as a way to listen to someone
especially if its a class."
Mehitabel says, "No me either."
Markus has
Markus says, "Not satisfying"
Gregor [to Markus]: Want to tell us abou;t it?
Gregor says, "Ah."
Mahina [Guest] says, "Well, Markus... why not"
Rebel says, "has anyone tried coolchat?"
Markus says, "Quite like Iphone in quality just that the download takes place
before"
Rebel thinks it will all depend on how good the students modems are.
Wart . o O ( How come the system has such a frightful lag!? )
Gregor says, "We're about out of time... this has been an excellent session!"
Markus thinks that realtime audio-video will take another generation of
hard-/software to be really reliable
Mahina [Guest] says, "Somethng to do with the time zones or international date
line. I forget...;)"
Gregor says, "Shall we take one last look at the blackboard to see if there's
anything else we want to cover,"
Mehitabel [to Gregor]: Thanks for organizing it.
Gregor [to Mehitabel]: Such as I did! I made about 90 mistakes in the
schedule. :oP
Mahina [Guest] says, "Boy, the hour just flew by..."
Markus nods.
Wart wishes he didn't have such a lag problem.
Gregor says, "I'll just flash the closing credits..."
Mahina [Guest] says, "O.K. comrads, see ya, jaa mata, aloha....."
Gregor puts a transparency on the screen:
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